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Vividcon 2011 Panel Notes
Here are my panel notes for Vividcon 2011. I did not get to attend a few so apologies for the missing notes. Also I did my best at hearing and typing as accurately as I could but sometimes people had quiet voices or I couldn't type fast enough so these are not perfect transcriptions. If you see something and want it corrected (or credit), feel free to let me know as I'd love for it to be more accurate.
Photoshop For Vidding Redux
-Preset: use square pixels so video isn't stretched
-Use the transparent to see your vid but it can be hard to work on it so can use white
-Have a white shape layer on bottom of layers pallette
-Go to file>place image which is a vector image which is not pixels, just a shape
-Right click>rasterize layers
-Can place a texture, drag it to occupy area, rasterize (right click the layer in the layer palette)
-Can go to normal drop down and change it to different blending modes and change opacity to create various effects
-Can go to Image>color balance to change the color levels (make sure preview is checked)
-Textures: can be found on deviantart
-Click brush icon in toolbar, go to drop drop down to choose size (usually not bigger than brush size-can blur transparent layer if pixellized)
-Go to arrow and load brushes to select downloaded brush (don't move folder of brushes, install only when PS is closed)
-Use text tool to write text, press wrap text at the top to arc test and use arrows to adjust to make text look curved
-Layer>layer style can do different effects (select layer first)
-Bottom layer NEEDS to be transparent to put vid with PS image (create new transparent layer)
-Then can merge all layers together (except transparent)
-Use rectangular marquee tool to make shape (or any shape tool)
-In premiere: new project>Square pixels (1.0)
-Import all layers of PSD file
-Bring PSD file down to timeline and drag it out to the timeline
-Put video file going in square box onto another layer in the timeline panel and resize image to fit box
-In ImageReady: open video, can see all frames and then file>export OR save as
-Premiere: Write effect, can draw on top and it will reveal the image under it
-If want to move around a picture, make the psd file very big so it doesn't get pixelated
-Ask Milly for PS questions
Constructed Reality
-Constructed Reality (CR) vids use footage to create something distinct from source
-Example Inception: actors from different sources to create backstories
-Example: Papa don't preach supports interpretation with pregnancy video
-Example: Icebound Stream-not constructed reality b/c it's not literally a polar bear (metaphoric to support argument)
-Can use matte on video screen with different footage
-Can use mattes for theme matching so they look like they're together (That's All)or background is cut out
-Is Entourage kiss vid a constructed reality? Didn't happen on show but still in universe
-Miles From Where You Are is CR because Jack doesn't jump out of helicopter in show
-Is just kissing (not on show) constructed reality?
-Can provide visual cues to see where they are, give a sense of place
-Some text is in original and some isn't
-Scene matching: everything going on visually, sell on idea that characters are in same place
-Ex. Ladies with Pretty Hair: Matte in vid shows they're in the same world
-Ex. Thriller: All characters look like in same place and react to same thing
-Ex: Filthy Minds: visually all characters in same bar/club
-Ex. Hands Away: gives gun to each other, both go into same places, connected by object they hold
-Ex. Merlin vid: emotion carried through with the knife
-Eyeline matching so character look like they're looking at each other. Ex, Come Undone, Hurricane, That's All
-Eyes looking at each other so closely, eyeline match so perfect that can realize they're together (Come Undone vid)
-Closeup on face makes me think that you're trying to avoid background...
-everything together can contribute because people focus on different things
-Make sure color palettes, temperatures match, stylized similar ex. Signed, The Doctor
-Ex. Closer: sepia tone makes look similar to each other
-Strong story songs can help to make people understand it (ex. keeping his baby)
-AU vids where character is different character: john sheppard is a writer ("that explains SO much"), Starbuck is a surfer vid
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1.vids that create pre-post canon narratives
ex. teardrop, signed, the doctor, that's all (pre, post, post)
2. vids that alter source canon (alternative universes)
ex. miles from where you are, papa don't preach, closer
3. vids that bring one source to anothers universe
ex. a study in time, favorite friend, convenient parking
4. crossover paring vids
-example: come undone, hurricane, hands away
5. crossover vids that broadly merge universes
-ex. ladies with pretty hair, thriller, filthy mind
-Is vid depending on you divorcing from context or relying on it?
-People who know more context can struggle to have a CR vid work for them then someone who doesn't and can believe they are the same source
-Can depend on a person, can beat over the head with the concept before they just go with it
-How much a viewer can led go of context ex. looking at partner vs. looking at mother (show)
-I don't care if I know the context, I'll just go there but do the work to get me to buy it
-Context of the communities for what they're made: more in jokes, more for pairing with little canon support, made for specific group of people, have their own context, Inception has interest in other sources because of movie, not just source context but community context
-Context of Closer: guy linked it without knowing noncon but liked editing while knowing about pon farr which makes it not so good
-Most stories use song to support while some vids use song to support story they're telling (ex. New Math)
Ultimate Vid Song
-The Cases:
Holding Out for a Hero
-Footloose OST, Bonnie Tyler album, reused in soundtracks, 2 new versions for Shrek
Bring Me to Life
-Evanescence, early 2000s pop-goth hit, came out suspiciously close to the BTVS arc with Buffy's death and resurrection
Tik Tok
-Bouncy 2010 breakout hit with pop star
Why so Vidded?
-Is it popularity? Lyrics, Structure, Must contain: Bitchin' Hooks
Holding Out for a Hero
-Versions: Bonnie Tyler, Jennifer Saunders, Frou Frou
-Key hooks: Opening Couplets, pov and how it's defined (esp. bridge)
-Lyrical attachment strictly optional
-Legacy: largely vids about desire of a character (sexual desire), from fan, character or both
-Interesting thing about lyrical content where the bridge says " I can feel his a approach through fire in my blood"
-the song doesn't know who the hero is but the vid knows
-ex. robin of sherwood vid: not trying to tell a story but look at this pretty guy
-traditionally very sincere but mary crawford did it to Hercules and its a loving homage and very tongue in cheek and self-insertion, couldn't exist without past vids
-still very sincere and loving
Bring Me to Life
-1099 vids on amv.org, vast majority in 3 years after song release
-lyrics are significant though song meaning is more important, like Holding Out for a Hero, the first two lines set the tone
-Usually a ship, usually Buffy/Angel/Spike (or one of them)
-Hooks: the chorus, esp. "bid my bood to run"
-Protagonist is totally empty inside, begs object of song to save them
-kind of pathetic because I'm totally empty and you need to fill me..."it's a twilight song"
-Emotional resonance: "make me feel better"
-Mostly dragonballz on amv side because it's such an angsty show...
Tik Tok
-straight up girls night out or analogue of the Heroes Journey
-Lyrical attachment: very important, the comedy goldmine is filled with tasty nuggets
-Even if totally sincere, still funny and playful, still tied closely to lyrical hooks throughout
-Key Hooks: key hooks: "p-diddy" "Popo shut us down" "bottle of jack" "tipsy" "we're gonna fight til we see the sunlight "Mick Jagger" "DJ" "The party don't start til I walk in"
-Heroes Journey: call to action, ..."all the critics spinning in their graves right now"
-ex. Total Recall vid: baby gives you secrets of universe in despair and then I walk in and save the day
-Over-vidded: Does it exist?
-in small circle of vidders yes but now there are too many worlds there is
-its a gateway drug...but we're giving them drugs
-some people will see a vid because its popular and others wont see if because they've seen it too many times
-After a certain point, it takes new life and becomes funny...bring me to life=Bring Me to Life zombie funny vid by sisabet and Lum
-Over-vidded does exist but its subjective and some songs hold up to it more than others while bring me to life was mostly the same vid and didnt vid it to the meaning while tik tok vids dont take it seriously versus excessive sincerity, its more fun to make fun of ourselves and fandom, like marycrawford's Hold Out For a Hero takes light of all history of that song, we still fall for those tropes every time, id rather see a vid make fun of itself versus no, really buffy NEEDS to be brought to life. Again.
-All three songs are over-vidded for different reasons: idealize character, obsess character, bring me to life so literal and fits fannish trope (immortal character who broods a lot), first vid for many while older vidders just sigh, while tik tok is so fun and you can do anything with it, you can make the words do anything (literalism or not)
-Something to Talk About also a ultimate vidsong: those guys too, first vid was starsky/hutch, all got joke at same time
-When your song has been vidded before, is it easier or more difficult to vid it, when do we become okay about it?
-keep in mind for audience if they've seen a song before and decide whether to keep expectations or not
-At first thought all vids were favorite characters kissing to evanescence so didn't watch vids
-Some people couldn't get over past connections
Setting
-It's where and when you are: location, time geography, historical period, culture, mis-en-scene (placing on stage, set design, cinematography, camera work)
-and it not only influences narrative but the meaning and emotional tone
-All vids contain setting: some show a little and some a lot
-Helpful to have at least establishing shots to show setting
Ghost of a Shark
-What is the visual effect of the landscape shots in the vid? The emotional or thematic effect?
-How are interior and exterior settings used? How do they interact/not interact?
-Enforces contrast of wide open spaces and closed in shots, very dark people with walls around them
-Opening shots of large shots with isolated character wide alone in sense, already see him as alone even in a crowd
-In the vid, there's grass, claustrophobic interiors but they don't show outside buildings, featureless outdoors
-Combination of isolation, landscape/claustrophobic interiors: isolating, effects of the vid is the building that they're in is adjacent/in is in vast expanse of nothing which makes that isolation feeling all the greater to make the closed in space is so distant from everything else
-Also have stagnation because its stark and plain while the outside world is changing
-Very lonely, like he wanted to be there, lost in this big landscape
-More connection with grass, he's sweeping his hands through versus the people he's around which he's not touching
-All hes doing in the room is staring at each other, chosen loneliness because he left the city but we get the context that he chose to come here
-Jesse James setting up that he's isolated by the strength of the legend but he is reaching out to robert ford, trying to make a connection but we all know where that leads from the title
-Jesse is comfortable where he is, isolated but he seems to be at one while the other character is always indoors while he gives look of longing that he wants to be outdoors with Jesse
-Interesting that vidder would choose to show scenes of Robert Ford only indoors
-Everytime Jesse's back is to RF, its foreshadowing
-The vast majority of the outdoor shots use climax...it was passing by, it was fleeting
-Vids that use setting as a primary element can do so in a number of ways
-The source's primary setting as the main focus or subject of the vid:
All we Have and Recalled to Life: in these two videos, it reflects the story that is being vidded, garden's growth shows characters growth while New Orleans shows four women rebuilding their lives in New Orleans
-Setting takes on a primary role and could even be considered another character: charmax's sherlock vid: "strange" usually is on corpse or empty room or homeless woman
-Elements of setting (rooms, structures, landscapes) create visual metaphors and parallels
Caged Bird and Needs: emotional feed to clips
-Elements of Setting are taken from external source: icebound stream, compass points: all shots of nature with visual parallels that help us get inside Fraser's head, take john/rodney and place them in new setting
-How else can setting be used in a vid?
-What are some other vids that make interesting ways of setting and how?
-How do you find yourself thinking about the vsual elements of setting when you'r vidding or watching a vid? (conscious or background)
-What should we keep in mind when vidding or viewing elements of a setting?
-Setting is a representation of Fraser's emotional state, more metaphoric setting, incredibly powerful
-Caged Bird: two shots where you're looking past woman into mirror and you're seeing her reflection, she's absorbed into setting because we're seeing her in mirror, that was powerful as shes a part of it
-I like vids that use setting to disturb because you can do quite simple things that when your brain processes it, it knows something is wrong, places that don't seem to fit together, works very simply because the disorientation you might feel is reflected ex. The Shining, some connections dont seem to make sense, people will walk behind a wall, corridor shouldnt exist, can take a character from one place to another
-ex. Jesus for the Jugular, Big Pimpin: haunted house, turning corners ending up in places they dont want to be/see
-ex. Kass: becoming brothers-setting helped tell us where characters are and where they come from, how their lives are constrained by their surroundings
-FNL: uses a lot of establishing shots, setting cna be a character like Serenity the ship, Moya the ship
-Establishing shots: constrained by what our source gives out, can have broad panoramic shots and some don't
-Setting can be the point of a vid ex. Starbuck is a surfer vid
-Shows that use the same establishing shot
-Out Here uses a lot of setting to show the city shots and then with the story to show Canada
-Buffy/90210 vid that showed same place in different shows similar to all Vancouver shows
-H50, I Spy, MASH, Magnum PI, The Prisoner: all focus on where they are
-Prisoner vid: california (judy chen): good vid for using setting
-Sitcom type shows show only inside of building where setting is so tight where you don't get the big, heres where you are shots
-Learned late from Killa's vid: she uses shots of objects in scenes to break up the faces, to create tension, mechanical process of looking for something thats not a face and find a way to use it
-Subset of clips labeled scenic: adds something depending on whether it focuses on character/issue while a broader focus I show more of scenic clips ex. shelter vid used more surf clips
-Ship vids are more interesting when theres more setting shots, ex. stargate vid, shots of gate and travel and found that it made more universe vid versus a ship vid
-SG-1 vid "In your eyes": setting is experience theyre having, moving, changing wonder, experience is the setting
-Becca's Break the Night with Color vid: point is how theyre experiencing the setting, we can experience the setting as phenomenal, stars become van gough's painting, how we experience it
-songs can complement setting, they help visually transition, Touch the Face of God: instrumental and the setting of the earth makes it more beautiful
-Dresden files vid: city strongly linked to instrumentation, city coming alive
-Anomie: first pretty shots and then song kicked in and then its about being alone in a mass of people
Vids in Academia
-Vidding as a form of composing, current composition literacy: print literacy is great but it's no longer enough, we need to communicate through a variety of text, how do we teach children video and sound? so lets look at vidders who've been doing it for 30 years
-How they use the participatory elements to have ordinary audience use videos? How people have gone to before the internet to now, how has video changed from where it is now?
-How do editing styles differ from music video editing and professional editing?
-Music is the most controversial right now, intellectual property issues, music does something important to transform video into a poem which makes it fundamentally different
-Fans have been doing social media forever, we make one way transmission a two way transmission, vcr vids are social media (they may not like it but I'm right, they're wrong), the way in which coding on the internet is the way to write code, code is becoming mass media, we're not supposed to know how to code anymore, fanfic is as code, coding our own archive, our own vid uploading systems (llamaenc), we want to hack cars and get in the engine, prefab system (YT) is good but we're going to want to be able to hack the code, they won't want us to participate in it
-There is a taboo against emotional affect and we can be invested in it and study it and there is no object objectivity and how to teach remix, machinima, vidding and show other cool stuff that's going on, issues of visibility
-We spend a lot of time explaining vidding versus talking to people who know already, no single vid can show all vids, trying to show untold stories, trying to fix things which is in conflict to further knowledge
-What vids do you show? It depends on the point you're trying to tell, what represents it best
-Use Star Trek Dance Floor: 1 minute good for being short, communicates well with short message and people get it right away, very funny but makes a clear point, OH its cultural criticism with a clear argument, longer presentations can do different kinds of vid
-Are we using vids to create a canon but for teaching wants something to engage but ends up having a purpose, sometimes purposely have vids for a screening without having that canonical basis and students eyes will glaze over, but tailor it for age and media they know, upfront about that aspect
-Have academics give undue attention to certain vids? Yes because theres a bias to get the genre on the table but I'm doing a course on Sherlock, James and Harry, can show HP vids and don't need to just have thesis vids, just like can show other material, then they can do it in a course but not in a conference, people teaching The Wire can show vids as literary criticism, see more vids taught as work, no one wants literacy criticism about a book they haven't read
-First talked about vids that were unusual that academics were going to get (Vogue, I Put You There, Ring Them Bells), not the vids I was first watching but if my theory wasn't talking about "look they're in love"..can read those articles if needed and then now we can actually talk about this stuff.
-writing about Something to Talk About, actively policing against "that's a good vid" while a schmoop vid is "bad"
-Afraid to show slash because people push to show it when mention vidding when it's bigger than that
-Is there a danger in cross community, if the definitions are defined by similarities to other communities? Amv vs. vidding, more defined by differences and not similarities
-I try to avoid doing generalities
-There is a real danger of that, there's certain aesthetics and taboos within the different parts of communities that don't extend to other parts so I struggle when I show vids and don't show diversity of the vids
-What did you think of The Boy Who Lived Article at Time?
-OTW set up the article, most communities are completley inarticulate but we weren't, we set up a community for him
-At NPR they setup something before our smart people talked but once they opened the wacky screams, it's harder, they're going to do it anyway (article on fandom)
-Writer is a science fiction writer: all academics identify as we except for one who uses "you", do you see yourself as us?
-I'm a fan not a vidder, being part of a community takes time, don't want to make an assumption
-Someone not us at all, completely attached would somehow be better is a common belief but either one is not necessary better, it's about owning your position and having blind spots
Big Emotion
-Emotion is not sob, woe, sadness but also includes happy and in love vids
-Source/Music ->YOU -> Audience
-Be deliberative: not just story I'm telling, point I want to make, what am I feeling? what do I feel about song and source? Do I feel, can I identify it?
-Can shut down to emotion when cutting on timeline but when identify before you start, also asking about emotion can help you figure it out
-Song choice is really important but need to ask before you start how it makes me feel? when looking for song need to take what you're feeling for into account and not just lyrics, more important to have that song feel
-"Don't blow your wad too soon"
-music builds to climax, has an inhale, i've got there, i'm there and then there are rest parts, like volume, turn it up and then turn it down and then turn it up (repeat)
-It's all about difference, if there's not a lot of dynamics, its hard to change and to build
-Heavy Metal slammed music on whole time but in emotions vidshow, they changed
-Emo music is called that because it changes a lot, goes quiet and then climaxes louder in the last bridge/chorus, called that because it is emotionally manipulative
-Tension build and then sudden drop off, this is the clip/visual that makes me feel that (hurt, joy, etc)
-Sometime Around Midnight grew the whole way (soft to loud) with little blips up and need to hit those with the smaller things>builds to inevitability, it has to happen (blows up, dog dies, etc), you know it's happening while it increases
-Killa's vid, dante's prayer, goes upwards, JIM = inevitable, gasp, so many real moments throughout
-Take Me Out: its not just the vid thats going there, the characters also understand the metaphor, knocking over bar tables, they know where this is going
-that song has a strange way of tempo, its simple but the vid can do the steady build, the first meeting is the slowest part in the middle of the vid, interesting structure help
-even if not listening to lyrics, still unconsciously listening to them, can still move you
-listening more to the emotion of the voice versus what the lyrics are actually saying
-I love when a singers voice cracks because you can hit those low notes
-I like instrumental vids because it's easier, lyrics songs have a very regimented pop structure, choruses are high versus verses are low, pattern is simple and there, if instrumental vids arent structured then people will find it hard to feel the build so you have to make it yourself
-what are the emotional signposts to point out?
-Long clips versus short cuts creating more anticipation
-Cues in classical music: minor to major, up the temp
-In soundtracks, its more compressed, in classical its a lot less obvious
-In instrumental music, you can't screw up because lyrics cant tell story so wrong clips in wrong places will make people not know the story
-Ladies with pretty hair: spoken instead of sung, it's not a normal song, there's a lot of emotion in that
-Vid is particularly emotional moving less with lyrics on first watch (odd lyrics that don't fit don't matter so much)
-They have to be epic but not in the same way as vistas, there has to be a bigness to them, ten pounds of vid in a 5 pound bag, need support of music without grand visuals
-Like the two people shot in Casablanca
-How do we build that on timeline?
-Wonder of Birds: "Someday we will fly away" big landscapes, flying, needed to know who "we" was and needed those faces close up, combination of epic scope along with intense emotion with investment they had in each other
-If going for humor, helped remaster Close to You, never looked at why but said when you make a joke it's funnier when you have a reaction shot after that, it gives you that moment to react so it lets you laugh
-Let audience know to smile, cry, etc here
-your understanding of emotion is tied to whether you can physically respond to it, see it (people with botox have harder time)
-Anything big happens, have a reaction shot, or right before emotion, while music rises can also see emotional reaction: oh we're going there
-Polaroid: Closeups on Giles and Buffy's face made you know what they were feeling
-Making vids for people who know the show versus don't know the show: can use a long shot, group shot, people know the emotion of it but someone who doesnt know the show will be confused but with closeup face shot they will understand with/without context
-Even if know the show, can forget so it's helpful to have buildup
-When youre building up to anticipatory closeup/traumatic closeup, look at eyelines, what that character is seeing, if youre moving forward forward, if they look opposite then they are not looking at that situation, unless you articulate it, you forget, if you see a gorgeous face with eyes wrong, can flip it to make it work, helps to contextualize, characters need to be moving in that direction with buildup
-if building right, dont need absolutely perfect iconic show, also have other options, its inevitable so we're there with you
-Don't need longer clips for people who know the show but they help with people who don't know what's going on
-people with context can tell what's going to happen before iconic shots (ie buffy jumping off bridge)
-Not having buffy shot is more upsetting not having it because that tension
-Whole vid is structured around the moments before, doesn't make a ton of sense to someone who doesnt know the source, engages actively as an audience because we have to supply it because then it wouldnt be there
-Don't just do a vid full of face shots
-do medium shots and long shots
-Can use color
Aspects of Aspect Ratios
(Note: Powerpoint will be uploaded from moderator later)
-can keep letterboxing for movie scope but change to widescreen (16:9 sizes)
-If crop beforehand, know what size to make PS file otherwise must figure it out
-If TV episode: check aspect ratio and crop it to 16:9 if not exactly 16:9
-In VLC, can change aspect ration and if it changes, it's not in that
-wider Serenity is better for epic type movies and tv format can work better for a character piece
-make notes so you know what works or not works
Town Hall
-In UK sensible law was passed allowing ripping, protecting fanfic for cultural reasons
-Youtube: three strikes once robot hits three times, you can't log on to fight for it but if you just counterstrike and can write a short fair use piece, it will be put back, youtube isn't actually looking at different people
-You can write to OTW to ask for help or want to talk about it
-Youtube's Copyright School has horrible assumptions that you're a pirating squirrel and not a creator, it's annoying and doesn't say much about fair use, it tries to get points off your license, can get points removed if you sit through copyright school, it does have some useful purpose
-At UCLA, talked to Critical Commons to host film clips for teachers, please vidders you are welcome to use it: easy fannish accessible for Youtube but CC is harder to use, host them their, get embed code to put wherever you want, can also upload for downloading, jarrow made list of what you have to do "This is a transformative vid" can be summary, political site
-Blip won't put vidders come on on site for fear of liability but won't remove your vids just have to put no ads on there, support subtitles
-Vimeo have to password protect but users will take it down and sometimes it will still take it down, isn't a way for people to browse all your vids, no index listing of all your vids
-Burned by iMeem experience so if they don't say they want us, don't trust them, YT isn't going to be crushed by financial pressures or single outside person, not trivial the amount of time it takes to upload all our vids
-Stream from my own site with Jstream, figured out how to have multiple translations, big tactical leap for most people to do, web host ould still shut it down, doing your own stuff is not archived, if ufo took me tomorrow, videos would disappear, it's not just about access but about preservation
-Dropbox: can stream video now, share link can see streaming video so they can watch it, 2GB free, extra bonuses for signing up friends, big traffic can cut off, backup if computer gets wiped out, other people can still download, can collab easier
-Still working on a dark archive, library of congress cyber version for us
-Working with University of Iowa to start taking DVDs of vids, index on the front so they have your name and the list of your vids and the fandom, donating courtesy copies over to Iowa
-OTW dark archive: not findable, eventually share on a one on one basis, open video conferences where many are working on this problem where big capitalists makers are trying to shut down, our problem is opposite to be seen but instead for big traffic from a viral vid
-Working on a torrent site at first, success means fast torrents but the problem now is companies are starting to throttle bittorrent, but cable companies are throttling it, afraid to seed if people aren't willing to take the chance
-Working on now is creating more types of work, first was fanfic/text, never been the intention to stop there, working to setup art, vid, podfic: ao3.org/collections/vividcon2011
-sign up for an account, Title, content: put streaming link, download link, put tags on vids such as vid, will provide a tool so can take all tags and transform to vid type like playlists of vids so can one day go to collection and it'll play all vids in vvc2011 collection
-If your vids on multiple services, if one gets taken down, you can put a new embed code for another site, can't do self-streaming, trusting the security of these large sites that these files are actually video files to keep security of video files
-Ao3: it is an advertisement to help make things searchable, be able to suscribe to people, find vids better
-Can also create a fanlore page for different vids and put why you were moved by it
-Information about citing vids and fanworks on OTW
-Ian needs to put info on adding things for your site so access to the right kind of info and not things you don't want: google picked up lyrics and not title and description so google plus can +1 it and not irrelevant things
-OTW does not have a Vidding Project page but Fan Video
-So in flex on torrents and dont have enough time, coders for that yet and want to be sure that we use the right technology and it's in flex doing new things with flash video, use possibility a Youtube encoder and things are changing fast and other people are working on it so we're waiting to see if we can that from other people
-We are doing someone on fan and remix video featuring many vidders for March 2012
-Some public interest groups who might be willing to help out if we had any trouble
-Harder to find defendants because no one wants to take it on, they don't want a test case, they want to create a culture of fear, we need to be confident that we have the right to do that, they will say they want more than they have the power to have it
-A letter of yelling is fine, "I am an artist" that's how I know and that makes us important
-Copyright is not trademark, they don't have to pay money for movie
Photoshop For Vidding Redux
-Preset: use square pixels so video isn't stretched
-Use the transparent to see your vid but it can be hard to work on it so can use white
-Have a white shape layer on bottom of layers pallette
-Go to file>place image which is a vector image which is not pixels, just a shape
-Right click>rasterize layers
-Can place a texture, drag it to occupy area, rasterize (right click the layer in the layer palette)
-Can go to normal drop down and change it to different blending modes and change opacity to create various effects
-Can go to Image>color balance to change the color levels (make sure preview is checked)
-Textures: can be found on deviantart
-Click brush icon in toolbar, go to drop drop down to choose size (usually not bigger than brush size-can blur transparent layer if pixellized)
-Go to arrow and load brushes to select downloaded brush (don't move folder of brushes, install only when PS is closed)
-Use text tool to write text, press wrap text at the top to arc test and use arrows to adjust to make text look curved
-Layer>layer style can do different effects (select layer first)
-Bottom layer NEEDS to be transparent to put vid with PS image (create new transparent layer)
-Then can merge all layers together (except transparent)
-Use rectangular marquee tool to make shape (or any shape tool)
-In premiere: new project>Square pixels (1.0)
-Import all layers of PSD file
-Bring PSD file down to timeline and drag it out to the timeline
-Put video file going in square box onto another layer in the timeline panel and resize image to fit box
-In ImageReady: open video, can see all frames and then file>export OR save as
-Premiere: Write effect, can draw on top and it will reveal the image under it
-If want to move around a picture, make the psd file very big so it doesn't get pixelated
-Ask Milly for PS questions
Constructed Reality
-Constructed Reality (CR) vids use footage to create something distinct from source
-Example Inception: actors from different sources to create backstories
-Example: Papa don't preach supports interpretation with pregnancy video
-Example: Icebound Stream-not constructed reality b/c it's not literally a polar bear (metaphoric to support argument)
-Can use matte on video screen with different footage
-Can use mattes for theme matching so they look like they're together (That's All)or background is cut out
-Is Entourage kiss vid a constructed reality? Didn't happen on show but still in universe
-Miles From Where You Are is CR because Jack doesn't jump out of helicopter in show
-Is just kissing (not on show) constructed reality?
-Can provide visual cues to see where they are, give a sense of place
-Some text is in original and some isn't
-Scene matching: everything going on visually, sell on idea that characters are in same place
-Ex. Ladies with Pretty Hair: Matte in vid shows they're in the same world
-Ex. Thriller: All characters look like in same place and react to same thing
-Ex: Filthy Minds: visually all characters in same bar/club
-Ex. Hands Away: gives gun to each other, both go into same places, connected by object they hold
-Ex. Merlin vid: emotion carried through with the knife
-Eyeline matching so character look like they're looking at each other. Ex, Come Undone, Hurricane, That's All
-Eyes looking at each other so closely, eyeline match so perfect that can realize they're together (Come Undone vid)
-Closeup on face makes me think that you're trying to avoid background...
-everything together can contribute because people focus on different things
-Make sure color palettes, temperatures match, stylized similar ex. Signed, The Doctor
-Ex. Closer: sepia tone makes look similar to each other
-Strong story songs can help to make people understand it (ex. keeping his baby)
-AU vids where character is different character: john sheppard is a writer ("that explains SO much"), Starbuck is a surfer vid
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1.vids that create pre-post canon narratives
ex. teardrop, signed, the doctor, that's all (pre, post, post)
2. vids that alter source canon (alternative universes)
ex. miles from where you are, papa don't preach, closer
3. vids that bring one source to anothers universe
ex. a study in time, favorite friend, convenient parking
4. crossover paring vids
-example: come undone, hurricane, hands away
5. crossover vids that broadly merge universes
-ex. ladies with pretty hair, thriller, filthy mind
-Is vid depending on you divorcing from context or relying on it?
-People who know more context can struggle to have a CR vid work for them then someone who doesn't and can believe they are the same source
-Can depend on a person, can beat over the head with the concept before they just go with it
-How much a viewer can led go of context ex. looking at partner vs. looking at mother (show)
-I don't care if I know the context, I'll just go there but do the work to get me to buy it
-Context of the communities for what they're made: more in jokes, more for pairing with little canon support, made for specific group of people, have their own context, Inception has interest in other sources because of movie, not just source context but community context
-Context of Closer: guy linked it without knowing noncon but liked editing while knowing about pon farr which makes it not so good
-Most stories use song to support while some vids use song to support story they're telling (ex. New Math)
Ultimate Vid Song
-The Cases:
Holding Out for a Hero
-Footloose OST, Bonnie Tyler album, reused in soundtracks, 2 new versions for Shrek
Bring Me to Life
-Evanescence, early 2000s pop-goth hit, came out suspiciously close to the BTVS arc with Buffy's death and resurrection
Tik Tok
-Bouncy 2010 breakout hit with pop star
Why so Vidded?
-Is it popularity? Lyrics, Structure, Must contain: Bitchin' Hooks
Holding Out for a Hero
-Versions: Bonnie Tyler, Jennifer Saunders, Frou Frou
-Key hooks: Opening Couplets, pov and how it's defined (esp. bridge)
-Lyrical attachment strictly optional
-Legacy: largely vids about desire of a character (sexual desire), from fan, character or both
-Interesting thing about lyrical content where the bridge says " I can feel his a approach through fire in my blood"
-the song doesn't know who the hero is but the vid knows
-ex. robin of sherwood vid: not trying to tell a story but look at this pretty guy
-traditionally very sincere but mary crawford did it to Hercules and its a loving homage and very tongue in cheek and self-insertion, couldn't exist without past vids
-still very sincere and loving
Bring Me to Life
-1099 vids on amv.org, vast majority in 3 years after song release
-lyrics are significant though song meaning is more important, like Holding Out for a Hero, the first two lines set the tone
-Usually a ship, usually Buffy/Angel/Spike (or one of them)
-Hooks: the chorus, esp. "bid my bood to run"
-Protagonist is totally empty inside, begs object of song to save them
-kind of pathetic because I'm totally empty and you need to fill me..."it's a twilight song"
-Emotional resonance: "make me feel better"
-Mostly dragonballz on amv side because it's such an angsty show...
Tik Tok
-straight up girls night out or analogue of the Heroes Journey
-Lyrical attachment: very important, the comedy goldmine is filled with tasty nuggets
-Even if totally sincere, still funny and playful, still tied closely to lyrical hooks throughout
-Key Hooks: key hooks: "p-diddy" "Popo shut us down" "bottle of jack" "tipsy" "we're gonna fight til we see the sunlight "Mick Jagger" "DJ" "The party don't start til I walk in"
-Heroes Journey: call to action, ..."all the critics spinning in their graves right now"
-ex. Total Recall vid: baby gives you secrets of universe in despair and then I walk in and save the day
-Over-vidded: Does it exist?
-in small circle of vidders yes but now there are too many worlds there is
-its a gateway drug...but we're giving them drugs
-some people will see a vid because its popular and others wont see if because they've seen it too many times
-After a certain point, it takes new life and becomes funny...bring me to life=Bring Me to Life zombie funny vid by sisabet and Lum
-Over-vidded does exist but its subjective and some songs hold up to it more than others while bring me to life was mostly the same vid and didnt vid it to the meaning while tik tok vids dont take it seriously versus excessive sincerity, its more fun to make fun of ourselves and fandom, like marycrawford's Hold Out For a Hero takes light of all history of that song, we still fall for those tropes every time, id rather see a vid make fun of itself versus no, really buffy NEEDS to be brought to life. Again.
-All three songs are over-vidded for different reasons: idealize character, obsess character, bring me to life so literal and fits fannish trope (immortal character who broods a lot), first vid for many while older vidders just sigh, while tik tok is so fun and you can do anything with it, you can make the words do anything (literalism or not)
-Something to Talk About also a ultimate vidsong: those guys too, first vid was starsky/hutch, all got joke at same time
-When your song has been vidded before, is it easier or more difficult to vid it, when do we become okay about it?
-keep in mind for audience if they've seen a song before and decide whether to keep expectations or not
-At first thought all vids were favorite characters kissing to evanescence so didn't watch vids
-Some people couldn't get over past connections
Setting
-It's where and when you are: location, time geography, historical period, culture, mis-en-scene (placing on stage, set design, cinematography, camera work)
-and it not only influences narrative but the meaning and emotional tone
-All vids contain setting: some show a little and some a lot
-Helpful to have at least establishing shots to show setting
Ghost of a Shark
-What is the visual effect of the landscape shots in the vid? The emotional or thematic effect?
-How are interior and exterior settings used? How do they interact/not interact?
-Enforces contrast of wide open spaces and closed in shots, very dark people with walls around them
-Opening shots of large shots with isolated character wide alone in sense, already see him as alone even in a crowd
-In the vid, there's grass, claustrophobic interiors but they don't show outside buildings, featureless outdoors
-Combination of isolation, landscape/claustrophobic interiors: isolating, effects of the vid is the building that they're in is adjacent/in is in vast expanse of nothing which makes that isolation feeling all the greater to make the closed in space is so distant from everything else
-Also have stagnation because its stark and plain while the outside world is changing
-Very lonely, like he wanted to be there, lost in this big landscape
-More connection with grass, he's sweeping his hands through versus the people he's around which he's not touching
-All hes doing in the room is staring at each other, chosen loneliness because he left the city but we get the context that he chose to come here
-Jesse James setting up that he's isolated by the strength of the legend but he is reaching out to robert ford, trying to make a connection but we all know where that leads from the title
-Jesse is comfortable where he is, isolated but he seems to be at one while the other character is always indoors while he gives look of longing that he wants to be outdoors with Jesse
-Interesting that vidder would choose to show scenes of Robert Ford only indoors
-Everytime Jesse's back is to RF, its foreshadowing
-The vast majority of the outdoor shots use climax...it was passing by, it was fleeting
-Vids that use setting as a primary element can do so in a number of ways
-The source's primary setting as the main focus or subject of the vid:
All we Have and Recalled to Life: in these two videos, it reflects the story that is being vidded, garden's growth shows characters growth while New Orleans shows four women rebuilding their lives in New Orleans
-Setting takes on a primary role and could even be considered another character: charmax's sherlock vid: "strange" usually is on corpse or empty room or homeless woman
-Elements of setting (rooms, structures, landscapes) create visual metaphors and parallels
Caged Bird and Needs: emotional feed to clips
-Elements of Setting are taken from external source: icebound stream, compass points: all shots of nature with visual parallels that help us get inside Fraser's head, take john/rodney and place them in new setting
-How else can setting be used in a vid?
-What are some other vids that make interesting ways of setting and how?
-How do you find yourself thinking about the vsual elements of setting when you'r vidding or watching a vid? (conscious or background)
-What should we keep in mind when vidding or viewing elements of a setting?
-Setting is a representation of Fraser's emotional state, more metaphoric setting, incredibly powerful
-Caged Bird: two shots where you're looking past woman into mirror and you're seeing her reflection, she's absorbed into setting because we're seeing her in mirror, that was powerful as shes a part of it
-I like vids that use setting to disturb because you can do quite simple things that when your brain processes it, it knows something is wrong, places that don't seem to fit together, works very simply because the disorientation you might feel is reflected ex. The Shining, some connections dont seem to make sense, people will walk behind a wall, corridor shouldnt exist, can take a character from one place to another
-ex. Jesus for the Jugular, Big Pimpin: haunted house, turning corners ending up in places they dont want to be/see
-ex. Kass: becoming brothers-setting helped tell us where characters are and where they come from, how their lives are constrained by their surroundings
-FNL: uses a lot of establishing shots, setting cna be a character like Serenity the ship, Moya the ship
-Establishing shots: constrained by what our source gives out, can have broad panoramic shots and some don't
-Setting can be the point of a vid ex. Starbuck is a surfer vid
-Shows that use the same establishing shot
-Out Here uses a lot of setting to show the city shots and then with the story to show Canada
-Buffy/90210 vid that showed same place in different shows similar to all Vancouver shows
-H50, I Spy, MASH, Magnum PI, The Prisoner: all focus on where they are
-Prisoner vid: california (judy chen): good vid for using setting
-Sitcom type shows show only inside of building where setting is so tight where you don't get the big, heres where you are shots
-Learned late from Killa's vid: she uses shots of objects in scenes to break up the faces, to create tension, mechanical process of looking for something thats not a face and find a way to use it
-Subset of clips labeled scenic: adds something depending on whether it focuses on character/issue while a broader focus I show more of scenic clips ex. shelter vid used more surf clips
-Ship vids are more interesting when theres more setting shots, ex. stargate vid, shots of gate and travel and found that it made more universe vid versus a ship vid
-SG-1 vid "In your eyes": setting is experience theyre having, moving, changing wonder, experience is the setting
-Becca's Break the Night with Color vid: point is how theyre experiencing the setting, we can experience the setting as phenomenal, stars become van gough's painting, how we experience it
-songs can complement setting, they help visually transition, Touch the Face of God: instrumental and the setting of the earth makes it more beautiful
-Dresden files vid: city strongly linked to instrumentation, city coming alive
-Anomie: first pretty shots and then song kicked in and then its about being alone in a mass of people
Vids in Academia
-Vidding as a form of composing, current composition literacy: print literacy is great but it's no longer enough, we need to communicate through a variety of text, how do we teach children video and sound? so lets look at vidders who've been doing it for 30 years
-How they use the participatory elements to have ordinary audience use videos? How people have gone to before the internet to now, how has video changed from where it is now?
-How do editing styles differ from music video editing and professional editing?
-Music is the most controversial right now, intellectual property issues, music does something important to transform video into a poem which makes it fundamentally different
-Fans have been doing social media forever, we make one way transmission a two way transmission, vcr vids are social media (they may not like it but I'm right, they're wrong), the way in which coding on the internet is the way to write code, code is becoming mass media, we're not supposed to know how to code anymore, fanfic is as code, coding our own archive, our own vid uploading systems (llamaenc), we want to hack cars and get in the engine, prefab system (YT) is good but we're going to want to be able to hack the code, they won't want us to participate in it
-There is a taboo against emotional affect and we can be invested in it and study it and there is no object objectivity and how to teach remix, machinima, vidding and show other cool stuff that's going on, issues of visibility
-We spend a lot of time explaining vidding versus talking to people who know already, no single vid can show all vids, trying to show untold stories, trying to fix things which is in conflict to further knowledge
-What vids do you show? It depends on the point you're trying to tell, what represents it best
-Use Star Trek Dance Floor: 1 minute good for being short, communicates well with short message and people get it right away, very funny but makes a clear point, OH its cultural criticism with a clear argument, longer presentations can do different kinds of vid
-Are we using vids to create a canon but for teaching wants something to engage but ends up having a purpose, sometimes purposely have vids for a screening without having that canonical basis and students eyes will glaze over, but tailor it for age and media they know, upfront about that aspect
-Have academics give undue attention to certain vids? Yes because theres a bias to get the genre on the table but I'm doing a course on Sherlock, James and Harry, can show HP vids and don't need to just have thesis vids, just like can show other material, then they can do it in a course but not in a conference, people teaching The Wire can show vids as literary criticism, see more vids taught as work, no one wants literacy criticism about a book they haven't read
-First talked about vids that were unusual that academics were going to get (Vogue, I Put You There, Ring Them Bells), not the vids I was first watching but if my theory wasn't talking about "look they're in love"..can read those articles if needed and then now we can actually talk about this stuff.
-writing about Something to Talk About, actively policing against "that's a good vid" while a schmoop vid is "bad"
-Afraid to show slash because people push to show it when mention vidding when it's bigger than that
-Is there a danger in cross community, if the definitions are defined by similarities to other communities? Amv vs. vidding, more defined by differences and not similarities
-I try to avoid doing generalities
-There is a real danger of that, there's certain aesthetics and taboos within the different parts of communities that don't extend to other parts so I struggle when I show vids and don't show diversity of the vids
-What did you think of The Boy Who Lived Article at Time?
-OTW set up the article, most communities are completley inarticulate but we weren't, we set up a community for him
-At NPR they setup something before our smart people talked but once they opened the wacky screams, it's harder, they're going to do it anyway (article on fandom)
-Writer is a science fiction writer: all academics identify as we except for one who uses "you", do you see yourself as us?
-I'm a fan not a vidder, being part of a community takes time, don't want to make an assumption
-Someone not us at all, completely attached would somehow be better is a common belief but either one is not necessary better, it's about owning your position and having blind spots
Big Emotion
-Emotion is not sob, woe, sadness but also includes happy and in love vids
-Source/Music ->YOU -> Audience
-Be deliberative: not just story I'm telling, point I want to make, what am I feeling? what do I feel about song and source? Do I feel, can I identify it?
-Can shut down to emotion when cutting on timeline but when identify before you start, also asking about emotion can help you figure it out
-Song choice is really important but need to ask before you start how it makes me feel? when looking for song need to take what you're feeling for into account and not just lyrics, more important to have that song feel
-"Don't blow your wad too soon"
-music builds to climax, has an inhale, i've got there, i'm there and then there are rest parts, like volume, turn it up and then turn it down and then turn it up (repeat)
-It's all about difference, if there's not a lot of dynamics, its hard to change and to build
-Heavy Metal slammed music on whole time but in emotions vidshow, they changed
-Emo music is called that because it changes a lot, goes quiet and then climaxes louder in the last bridge/chorus, called that because it is emotionally manipulative
-Tension build and then sudden drop off, this is the clip/visual that makes me feel that (hurt, joy, etc)
-Sometime Around Midnight grew the whole way (soft to loud) with little blips up and need to hit those with the smaller things>builds to inevitability, it has to happen (blows up, dog dies, etc), you know it's happening while it increases
-Killa's vid, dante's prayer, goes upwards, JIM = inevitable, gasp, so many real moments throughout
-Take Me Out: its not just the vid thats going there, the characters also understand the metaphor, knocking over bar tables, they know where this is going
-that song has a strange way of tempo, its simple but the vid can do the steady build, the first meeting is the slowest part in the middle of the vid, interesting structure help
-even if not listening to lyrics, still unconsciously listening to them, can still move you
-listening more to the emotion of the voice versus what the lyrics are actually saying
-I love when a singers voice cracks because you can hit those low notes
-I like instrumental vids because it's easier, lyrics songs have a very regimented pop structure, choruses are high versus verses are low, pattern is simple and there, if instrumental vids arent structured then people will find it hard to feel the build so you have to make it yourself
-what are the emotional signposts to point out?
-Long clips versus short cuts creating more anticipation
-Cues in classical music: minor to major, up the temp
-In soundtracks, its more compressed, in classical its a lot less obvious
-In instrumental music, you can't screw up because lyrics cant tell story so wrong clips in wrong places will make people not know the story
-Ladies with pretty hair: spoken instead of sung, it's not a normal song, there's a lot of emotion in that
-Vid is particularly emotional moving less with lyrics on first watch (odd lyrics that don't fit don't matter so much)
-They have to be epic but not in the same way as vistas, there has to be a bigness to them, ten pounds of vid in a 5 pound bag, need support of music without grand visuals
-Like the two people shot in Casablanca
-How do we build that on timeline?
-Wonder of Birds: "Someday we will fly away" big landscapes, flying, needed to know who "we" was and needed those faces close up, combination of epic scope along with intense emotion with investment they had in each other
-If going for humor, helped remaster Close to You, never looked at why but said when you make a joke it's funnier when you have a reaction shot after that, it gives you that moment to react so it lets you laugh
-Let audience know to smile, cry, etc here
-your understanding of emotion is tied to whether you can physically respond to it, see it (people with botox have harder time)
-Anything big happens, have a reaction shot, or right before emotion, while music rises can also see emotional reaction: oh we're going there
-Polaroid: Closeups on Giles and Buffy's face made you know what they were feeling
-Making vids for people who know the show versus don't know the show: can use a long shot, group shot, people know the emotion of it but someone who doesnt know the show will be confused but with closeup face shot they will understand with/without context
-Even if know the show, can forget so it's helpful to have buildup
-When youre building up to anticipatory closeup/traumatic closeup, look at eyelines, what that character is seeing, if youre moving forward forward, if they look opposite then they are not looking at that situation, unless you articulate it, you forget, if you see a gorgeous face with eyes wrong, can flip it to make it work, helps to contextualize, characters need to be moving in that direction with buildup
-if building right, dont need absolutely perfect iconic show, also have other options, its inevitable so we're there with you
-Don't need longer clips for people who know the show but they help with people who don't know what's going on
-people with context can tell what's going to happen before iconic shots (ie buffy jumping off bridge)
-Not having buffy shot is more upsetting not having it because that tension
-Whole vid is structured around the moments before, doesn't make a ton of sense to someone who doesnt know the source, engages actively as an audience because we have to supply it because then it wouldnt be there
-Don't just do a vid full of face shots
-do medium shots and long shots
-Can use color
Aspects of Aspect Ratios
(Note: Powerpoint will be uploaded from moderator later)
-can keep letterboxing for movie scope but change to widescreen (16:9 sizes)
-If crop beforehand, know what size to make PS file otherwise must figure it out
-If TV episode: check aspect ratio and crop it to 16:9 if not exactly 16:9
-In VLC, can change aspect ration and if it changes, it's not in that
-wider Serenity is better for epic type movies and tv format can work better for a character piece
-make notes so you know what works or not works
Town Hall
-In UK sensible law was passed allowing ripping, protecting fanfic for cultural reasons
-Youtube: three strikes once robot hits three times, you can't log on to fight for it but if you just counterstrike and can write a short fair use piece, it will be put back, youtube isn't actually looking at different people
-You can write to OTW to ask for help or want to talk about it
-Youtube's Copyright School has horrible assumptions that you're a pirating squirrel and not a creator, it's annoying and doesn't say much about fair use, it tries to get points off your license, can get points removed if you sit through copyright school, it does have some useful purpose
-At UCLA, talked to Critical Commons to host film clips for teachers, please vidders you are welcome to use it: easy fannish accessible for Youtube but CC is harder to use, host them their, get embed code to put wherever you want, can also upload for downloading, jarrow made list of what you have to do "This is a transformative vid" can be summary, political site
-Blip won't put vidders come on on site for fear of liability but won't remove your vids just have to put no ads on there, support subtitles
-Vimeo have to password protect but users will take it down and sometimes it will still take it down, isn't a way for people to browse all your vids, no index listing of all your vids
-Burned by iMeem experience so if they don't say they want us, don't trust them, YT isn't going to be crushed by financial pressures or single outside person, not trivial the amount of time it takes to upload all our vids
-Stream from my own site with Jstream, figured out how to have multiple translations, big tactical leap for most people to do, web host ould still shut it down, doing your own stuff is not archived, if ufo took me tomorrow, videos would disappear, it's not just about access but about preservation
-Dropbox: can stream video now, share link can see streaming video so they can watch it, 2GB free, extra bonuses for signing up friends, big traffic can cut off, backup if computer gets wiped out, other people can still download, can collab easier
-Still working on a dark archive, library of congress cyber version for us
-Working with University of Iowa to start taking DVDs of vids, index on the front so they have your name and the list of your vids and the fandom, donating courtesy copies over to Iowa
-OTW dark archive: not findable, eventually share on a one on one basis, open video conferences where many are working on this problem where big capitalists makers are trying to shut down, our problem is opposite to be seen but instead for big traffic from a viral vid
-Working on a torrent site at first, success means fast torrents but the problem now is companies are starting to throttle bittorrent, but cable companies are throttling it, afraid to seed if people aren't willing to take the chance
-Working on now is creating more types of work, first was fanfic/text, never been the intention to stop there, working to setup art, vid, podfic: ao3.org/collections/vividcon2011
-sign up for an account, Title, content: put streaming link, download link, put tags on vids such as vid, will provide a tool so can take all tags and transform to vid type like playlists of vids so can one day go to collection and it'll play all vids in vvc2011 collection
-If your vids on multiple services, if one gets taken down, you can put a new embed code for another site, can't do self-streaming, trusting the security of these large sites that these files are actually video files to keep security of video files
-Ao3: it is an advertisement to help make things searchable, be able to suscribe to people, find vids better
-Can also create a fanlore page for different vids and put why you were moved by it
-Information about citing vids and fanworks on OTW
-Ian needs to put info on adding things for your site so access to the right kind of info and not things you don't want: google picked up lyrics and not title and description so google plus can +1 it and not irrelevant things
-OTW does not have a Vidding Project page but Fan Video
-So in flex on torrents and dont have enough time, coders for that yet and want to be sure that we use the right technology and it's in flex doing new things with flash video, use possibility a Youtube encoder and things are changing fast and other people are working on it so we're waiting to see if we can that from other people
-We are doing someone on fan and remix video featuring many vidders for March 2012
-Some public interest groups who might be willing to help out if we had any trouble
-Harder to find defendants because no one wants to take it on, they don't want a test case, they want to create a culture of fear, we need to be confident that we have the right to do that, they will say they want more than they have the power to have it
-A letter of yelling is fine, "I am an artist" that's how I know and that makes us important
-Copyright is not trademark, they don't have to pay money for movie
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