anoel | Marriage is love.

I don't even know what to say. I was slowly accepting that Prop 8 passed last night and then waking up to it this morning was even more shocking and depressing. For the first time I feel ashamed to be a Californian. At the same time I feel proud to be American and that really, really sucks. It hit me in the car this morning on the way to class and I couldn't stop crying. How can this happen? What is wrong with people? I just don't get it and I doubt I ever will. How can anyone ever understand hate, discrimination and inequality? To take those civil rights away from people is just wrong. I cannot believe people cannot separate religion and government when separation between church and state is so important to this country from the very beginning. And makes me feel even more negative to the destructive part of (some) religions. And the worst part is so many of the same people who voted for Obama voted for this proposition and I find that so hard to believe.

I wish I could have done more. I wish I could have voted, been in California and campaigned and done everything possible to stop this disgusting proposition. It's my own fault though and that frustrates me so much. I want my state to be a beautiful, amazing, equal place to live for everyone and this is such a big stop to this. I can't believe that I trusted this state so much to do the right thing and they didn't. I feel so let down by both them and me.

Randomly bursting into tears because Obama won or because Prop 8 passed? Not fun. I want off this roller coaster right about now. Trying to cope by watching some Queer as Folk vids with plenty of love, kissing, romance and sex and although I don't want Brian and Justin to get married, I want them to have that right. I'm never one to put marriage as the biggest end goal, I NEVER say, I want to get married but I want to find true love/a long term romantic partner/etc but I want everyone that wants to get married, between two consenting adults, to have that chance. At least now that Barack Obama is president I don't have to fear constitutional bans so much and hopefully he'll help inspire people to change their minds.

So what do we do now? I'm not up to speed on California proposition rules (although I really need to catch up) but how do we overturn/repeal/etc Proposition 8? Cause no matter how much I feel beaten down, tired and like I want to give up right now, I know we have to keep fighting til the end of days. And I have to keep remembering that just like we ended slavery and gave black men (and eventually women) the right to vote, ended discrimination in the 60's and now have an African American president, our country will go in the direction of equality, oppurtunity and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all. Which includes gay marriage. We'll get there no matter how much time it takes.

This is also not helped by the fact that even TV is being disrupted by this bigotness. ABC Fires Brooke Smith who basically is in a lesbian relationship on Grey's Anatomy while also changing a future bisexual character straight. I am disgusted and sickened by ABC after admiring them so much for being so gay friendly. Ugh, it just pissed me off so much.

And hopefully, I'll be back to my regularly scheduled fannish activities starting now. It's good to know that I can trust fandom to be decidingly No on Prop 8!

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*hugs* All of this is just sad. :(

Yeah that's the best way to describe it :( *hugs back*

I feel the same way. While I'm thrilled that Obama won, I am devastated by a ballot measure that did not pass in my own county, and well as Prop 8 passing. It's hard to be so happy and so damn disappointed. :(

Exactly! Both of these are such extremes of emotions that it's hard to process both. And I'm sorry about your ballot measures too :(

Well, what we need to do is start gathering signatures to put a proposition amending the California constitution to permit same-sex marriage on the next election. I think it might be smart to specifically put something in the language of the proposition that exempts churches from performing such marriages, since that was one of the big issues for opponents. You need as many signatures as 5% of the people who cast ballots in the last gubernatorial election.

And here's some reflection on why the "No" campaign lost (and lessons to keep in mind for the next battle): http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7432

Well at least there's action to change it, hopefully we can do that. I still can't believe the church thing, it's just a government measure. And thanks for the link, that'll help.

Yeah, I feel the same way. It's made me even more anti-organized religion, unfortunately, because religious leaders were instrumental in getting this piece of discrimination written and passed.

Yeah exactly, I hate that part of it. It really, really sucks :(

I understand completely. I'm still crying my eyes out and I just found out five minutes ago... it seems so hopeless! God, how could this have happened?!!

I STILL can't stop crying. It just happens at random times when I read things or think about it. It's just such a loss :(

I really, really don't know. But it disappoints me more than words can say.

Totally with you there on the happy/sad roller coaster. I can't believe Prop 8 passed. How could people be so small minded? Deny other individuals their rights? Especially when it doesn't infringe on anyone else? People just want to be happy and to take that away... it's beyond wrong.

And WTF Grey's Anatomy? I did not know that. I love the Hahn/Callie stuff and just. WTF?! This is just brutal, one right after the other.

I know! It's ridiculous and so, so mean. That they don't even care about other people.

Ugh I know! It's one of my favorite things this season. And yeah, this was before the election results but it still pisses me off.

It's amazing how bi-polar we can be about this election. 8 is just scary to me. I'm glad that Obama won and I'm hoping that it will lead to a change in the rights of all people in the U.S.

Yeah, me too. I wish he mentioned being anti-8 more although it's easier to say that now that he won. But bi-polar is a perfect description.

Two of my coworkers got married (not to each other) since gay marriage became legal. So their marriages won't be legal anymore? BULLSHIT, California.

Last night I was sad, and now I've moved on to anger. Fucking homophobes.

SO NOT right. I hope they and others protest this, I see it might go to the state supreme court so that would be good.

Yeah going between sad and anger is often how I feel.

I have to keep remembering that just like we ended slavery and gave black men (and eventually women) the right to vote, ended discrimination in the 60's and now have an African American president, our country will go in the direction of equality, oppurtunity and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all. Which includes gay marriage. We'll get there no matter how much time it takes.
THIS. That's what keeps me going.

Yeah that helps me a lot in all aspects of life.

And awwwwwww your icon *cuddles them* They need to stay married goddamnit!

I wonder how they're going to include all this in the series. Having character so close to politics like McCallister-- does this mean in their universe that Obama wins? How does Prop 8 play out in their universe? It's so odd-- for any show with gay characters, really. How do you keep your vision going while still keeping things realistic?

I think so. As we saw in this episode, Prop 8 is definitely playing out and I'm glad McCallister is against it. I don't think they're going to focus too much on it and more on the characters on the show but it'll be interesting to see.

I'm surprised how quick that was! I hope they get through the Ryan story before getting into anything too serious, but I know I can trust this show to do the fight justice.

Can I just say I *cannot* believe that that got passed. Definitely talk about a rollercoaster of emotion, I can see totally what you are feeling. It's like elation that Obama got in, but then it's so awful and sad that this got passed.

I'm across the pond of course, but I just think it's such a let-down that there is still so much prejudice around. I hope it can be opposed, for so many peoples sake.

And a big WTF to that thing about Grey's Anatomy? Reading that article it's sorta clear there is no real reason they fired her, just simply because of her character being gay. That's pretty damn awful.

Sorry for ranting here, but I was so *shocked* by this, and your entry was where I found out!

Me too. It's absolutely horrible. It's hard to deal with all the emotions at the same time. And I hope it can as well.

Yeah I know, it's horrible. It just digusts me that the hate is spreading to TV and such a gay positive show. And you can rant anytime!

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