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sundancekid! It's been a pleasure having you on my Flist and I always enjoy reading your posts :)

First things first, Vividcon registration is tomorrow! They open at 12 PM EST tomorrow here and I would strongly urge anyone who wants to go to get up early, have alarms in place (you can download computer alarms if needed!) and register immediately because it's probably going to sell out really fast even ten minute fast, who knows. I can't recommend Vividcon enough for anyone who loves vids. It's SO MUCH fun. There's the Premieres show and other vidshows with both new and old vids showing, really interesting vidding panels that help for both creating and watching vids, Club Vivid with lots of fun dancing to vids and many great fans who LOVE vids and create a friendly, enthusiastic and vid positive atmosphere. I've had the time of my life both times I went and for me it's worth all the money in the world. I would urge everyone interested to go!

Late on this but just in case anyone hasn't seen, the New To Me Vid Watching Challenge has a lot of great vid recs of some vids you may not have seen before. Hopefully soon I'll compile my own big rec list I've been meaning to do.

In light of Alias, I'm curious about what people think are the best and worst TV show pilots and finales. Especially relative to the overall quality of the show as a whole. What do you think makes a good Pilot and Finale? Here's a poll if you'd like to answer and I'd love any comments if you'd like to elaborate why (without spoilers preferred).

[Poll #1131677]

Also, here's a meme:
Name a fandom I'm into and I will tell you:

1. The first character I fell in love with:
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now:
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t:
4. The character I love that everyone else hates:
5. The character I would shag anytime:
6. The character I'd want to be like:
7. The character I'd slap:
8. A pairing that I love:
9. A pairing that I despise:
10. Favorite character:
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom?
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom?
13. Who are your five favorite characters?
14. Who are your five least favorite characters?
15. What are your five favorite pairings?
16. What are your five least favorite pairings?
17. Which character are you most like?
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret?

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How I Met Your Mother.

For that fandom meme, I'd love to hear your answers for Arrested Development. :)

I put finales to seasons since I have never seen a series all the way through to completion. I suppose you can say I'm fairly new to dedicated television watching. :D

As for the meme, The Office.

For seasons or series?

Omg when the pilot of Alias aired it was the first commercial-free show I'd seen on regular (non-HBO) tv and GOD. It was so stressful and high energy and the timeline was all crazy and that, right there, made me never want to stop watching the show. God, every time I watch that episode I want to mail it to all of Hollywood and be like THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A PILOT, PLEASE FOLLOW ACCORDINGLY.

Sadly, by the time S5 rolled around I felt like a lot of the people involved were kind of half-assing it, and it just felt off to me, in a way. I guess? I don't remember much of it really, just that I was underwhelmed.

1. Barney. He was so funny and vibrant and enjoyable. And very pretty :)
2. Lily. It took me awhile to warm up to her but now I just love her.
3. I love them all!
4. Ted apparently? I adore him to pieces and really don't understand how people can not like him.
5. Barney. He's too sexy. Yum!
6. Robin. As she's awesome.
7. BARNEY! Cause slap bets are fun ;) Just when he's being an ass.
8. Barney/Robin. They are so made for each other.
9. None of them. Really, I'm OT5 all the way.
10. I have such a tough time deciding between Ted, Barney and Robin. I'm going to have to go with Barney though.
11. Five fun, quirky characters, lovable relationships between all of them, Robin Sparkles, slap bets and roadtrips in the Fiero.
12. Slow start to the show, not enough Barney/Robin, not enough fans, not enough fic and not as much *brilliant* humor as I'd like.
13. This is easy: Barney, Ted, Robin, Marshall and Lily!
14. Um...Gael, Ted's old boss...I can't think of anyone else.
15. Barney/Robin, Ted/Barney, Ted/Marshall/Lily, Marshall/Barney, Ted/Robin
16. I can't say I have any except random ones I can't think of. This show is so good with pairings!
17. Probably Ted because I'm a hopeless romantic who analyzes things too much and doesn't act on them as much as I'd like.
18. I don't know...I'd like to see all of them have one big orgy? Hehe.

I love that show! :)

Oh and Just because... Battlestar Galactica.

I would say Lost since I know you have mixed feelings about it, but since this is a character meme (and I know you're not at all into the Lost characters) I'll say... Heroes plz!

Reading your response to this made me grin. HIMYM isn't always the most brilliant, but it is so fun from the slap bets, to the Fiero, to the fact that any pairing could be interesting. The characters are all just too lovable. And Barney/Robin is FTW. :D

1. The first character I fell in love with: Michael Bluth. I loved how he dealt with his family in the pilot with those expressions.
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Lucille. She's eevil but in such a great mastermind, funny way.
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: Maybe Lindsay?
4. The character I love that everyone else hates: Uncle Jack (but he's not really their uncle)
5. The character I would shag anytime: Gotta go with Michael. He's so hot in his own way.
6. The character I'd want to be like: I'd don't think I'd want to be anyone. I'm going to go with Maeby because it'd be fun to run a movie studio.
7. The character I'd slap: Probably Lindsay.
8. A pairing that I love: Um...Michael/GOB (it was weird).
9. A pairing that I despise: Buster/Lucille Austero (it's funny though!)
10. Favorite character: Michael Bluth
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom? Always brilliant, always hilarious, continuity, crazy quirky characters and the meta/commentary on the show/world.
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom? Not long enough, not enough fans, not enough fanfic/vids, the British arc, Kitty
13. Who are your five favorite characters? Michael, Buster, GOB, Lucille, George Michael (also Tobias)
14. Who are your five least favorite characters? Kitty, Barry, Lindsay, Rita
15. What are your five favorite pairings? Michael/GOB, George Michael/Maeby, Buster/Starla, Tobias/Lindsay
16. What are your five least favorite pairings? Buster/Lucille Austero, Michael/Lindsay, George Michael/Anne, Steve/Maeby
17. Which character are you most like? Probably George Michael as I can be pretty shy/nervous at times.
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret? Um...I love all the incest? Even the intergenerational couples are fun!

You should start! It's fun. Finales for seasons are fine though.

1. The first character I fell in love with: Michael Scott. Even in the Pilot I felt bad for him.
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Angela. I used to say she was my least favorite and now she's one of my favorites!
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: Jim Halpert in terms of degree. I do love him though, I just don't want him as my ideal boyfriend and I'm not obsessed over him.
4. The character I love that everyone else hates: Sadly probably Michael :(
5. The character I would shag anytime: Doesn't really apply to this show but if pushed...probably Michael.
6. The character I'd want to be like: Jan before Women's Appreciation and Pam during/after Beach Games.
7. The character I'd slap: Probably Jim especially in S3.
8. A pairing that I love: Michael/Jan
9. A pairing that I despise: None really but if pressed...Jim/Karen because I don't think they work well together.
10. Favorite character: Michael Scott
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom? The most lovable, quirky characters, hilarity in LOL and *smart* ways, heartwarming character and relationship moments, highly relatable in many ways and a mostly wank/fight free fandom.
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom? Jan post Women's Appreciation, poor characterization and use of Meredith, difference between S1 and after that (wish the quality had been the same), not enough slash and too much focus on Jim/Pam (mostly in fandom).
13. Who are your five favorite characters? Michael, Dwight, Pam, Kelly and Stanley (and Creed and Angela...)
14. Who are your five least favorite characters? Todd Packer, Roy, Karen, Jim and Ryan (I still love them though!)
15. What are your five favorite pairings? Michael/Jan, Jim/Pam, Dwight/Angela, Jim/Dwight, Michael/Ryan
16. What are your five least favorite pairings? Jim/Karen, Jim/Katy, Roy/Pam, Toby/Pam (still love them though!), Michael/Carol (they're very cute though!)
17. Which character are you most like? I think I'm a mixture of Pam's quietness and fear of change and Michael's enthusiasm and social insecurities.
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret? Something I get really annoyed by the Jim/Pam and Jim focus in fandom to the exclusion of everything else especially when it causes people to put down other good things about the show.

I love my show sooo much :D

Well I meant series but seasons is fine as well.

1. The first character I fell in love with: Starbuck! She was always super awesome especially in that first card game.
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Baltar. I hated him at first and now I kind of like him even when he messes up.
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: Six? I don't know she's alright.
4. The character I love that everyone else hates: I don't know the fandom well enough to answer this.
5. The character I would shag anytime: Have to go with Starbuck.
6. The character I'd want to be like: Starbuck...is my preference showing here? ;)
7. The character I'd slap: Baltar. Affectionately.
8. A pairing that I love: Kara/Lee
9. A pairing that I despise: Leoben/Kara I have to say
10. Favorite character: Starbuck
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom? Starbuck, not knowing who could be a cylon, dealing with consequences, fun fighter pilot scenes, metaphors and dealing with RL issues
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom? Convoluted love triangles, slow mid season episodes (S2/3), Baltar at first, long gaps between seasons, not enough Starbuck
13. Who are your five favorite characters? Starbuck, Roslin, Boomer, Lee, Captain Adama
14. Who are your five least favorite characters? I still like them but Tigh, Baltar, Anders, Dualla, Six.
15. What are your five favorite pairings? Lee/Kara, Adama/Roslin, Sharon/Tyrol (S1), Six/Baltar, Adama/Tigh
16. What are your five least favorite pairings? Lee/Kara, Lee/Dualla, Anders/Kara, Tigh/Ellen, that's all really.
17. Which character are you most like? Probably Lee in my idealism.
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret? I kind of liked the Watchtower lyrics thing...I mean I thought it was cracked out but I didn't mind too much.

I just watched the Pilot again today and it is just *so* good, I agree. I loved the timeline stuff and it definitely established the setup of the show really well. I love secret agents!

Yeah definitely. They didn't know what to do so they started coming up with crazy conspiracies. This is why you plan your series throughout seasons before you begin so you don't fizzle out.

I'm definitely working on catching up!

Agreed for 3 and 7. I've never understood the rabid Jim adoration, which is not to say I dislike his character, but I've never salivated rivers and christened them with his name.

Re: 11: YYYYY.

14. You're a better fan than I! I don't think I could dislike/not-care-AS-much about a character and still ship him/her in one of my favorite pairings. I give you kudos for Jim and Ryan here. :P

Yay Heroes! I still like Lost though as I've said.

1. The first character I fell in love with: Hiro! He's so cute and adorable especially when he comes to NYC.
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Mohinder. You know I thought he was kind of an idiot and then his prettiness melted that away.
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: Peter times infinity. I just don't get the emo appeal.
4. The character I love that everyone else hates: Well in S1 it'd probably be Matt who I always found cute but thankfully people like him a lot more now.
5. The character I would shag anytime: HRG!
6. The character I'd want to be like: Well I'd love Nathan's power but I'd want to be like HRG because he's awesome.
7. The character I'd slap: Peter. Affectionately (like his mom!).
8. A pairing that I love: Mohinder/Sylar ;)
9. A pairing that I despise: Peter/Claire. They bore me.
10. Favorite character: HRG but Hiro's close!
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom? Fun plots that intersect everywhere, the powers and seeing how characters deal with them, the twists (like Five Years Gone), HRG and Claire cuteness and Hiro and Ando superhero love.
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom? S2 Cliche dialogue, Badly done romance, starting out too slow in terms of pacing, giving boring plots especially to new characters, too much buildup to lackluster finale that didn't make sense.
13. Who are your five favorite characters? HRG, Hiro, Claire, Matt, Mohinder
14. Who are your five least favorite characters? Simone, West, Peter, Nikki, Alejandro
15. What are your five favorite pairings? Mohinder/Sylar, Nathan/Peter, Hiro/Ando, Matt/Mohinder, HRG/Matt
16. What are your five least favorite pairings? Peter/Simone, West/Claire, Peter/Claire, Issac/Simone, Hiro/Yaiko
17. Which character are you most like? I'd say Hiro and Claire
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret? I still love Sylar but I'm starting to get kind of bored from him and have less interest in vids about him.

Yes exactly! I adore him especially in S2 but people are just waaay into him than I think he deserves. Personal preferences I guess.

But I do love them! This show is impossible for least favorites because I love them all. Actually Ryan should leave and be replaced with Meredith now that I think of it. Both Jim and Ryan get much better when they're paired with the right people ;)

Right exactly! I've never seen a show that has such wonderful relationships for all the pairings. And I enjoy the fun a lot. Love your icon!

Thank you so much!

Clearly our Michael Scott love is superior. WUT WUT. ;)

Too true. The Office character lineup is superb. I have least favorites among them but it's more along the lines of "characters who get two heaps of love rather than three" instead of "characters who need to roast in hell and have their souls devoured".

Both Jim and Ryan get much better when they're paired with the right people ;)
Hahaha. Yes. Couldn't have phrased it better myself. <3

Sylar was disappointing in S2, but TBH I'm glad they didn't give him more of a presence because he would just have been swept up into the overall suckage.

And come on, you can't say you didn't get excited when he did the badass thing with the can of spinach at the end of S2!!! (....Popeye anyone?)

Clearly! And I completely agree with you re: heaps of love. I actually have made tiers because it's hard for me to put one character over another.

That was cool but I need more to get excited. We'll see. But true about the tidal wave of suckage.

You're welcome :) I'm glad to hear things are going well for you!

I just registered for Vividcon! \:D/ Yay!

Hi. *waves*

How about Alias?

Hi, nice to have a new Alias friend :D

1. The first character I fell in love with: Jack Bristow. He had me in his first scene taking down Danny hilariously so.
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Sloane. He has his moments where I feel *so* much for him.
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: Vaughn but mostly in terms of degree.
4. The character I love that everyone else hates: Francie? I liked her before she went evil.
5. The character I would shag anytime: Jack...or Irina
6. The character I'd want to be like: All of the SpyFam? If forced to choose I'd have to go with...Irina. But good!Irina.
7. The character I'd slap: Probably Sloane in one of his more evil, Rambaldi obsessed moments.
8. A pairing that I love: Jack/Irina
9. A pairing that I despise: Vaughn/Lauren
10. Favorite character: Jack Bristow
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom? SpyFam!, fun spy alias missions, great plot twists, cute family and friend moments, adorable Marshall tech speak and gadgets
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom? S5 finale, not enough Irina, love triangles, too many deaths/fakes, Rambaldi (at least how it got resolved)
13. Who are your five favorite characters? Jack, Irina, Sydney, Marshall, Weiss
14. Who are your five least favorite characters? Robert Lindsay, Lauren, Tom, Rachel, Peyton
15. What are your five favorite pairings? Jack/Irina, [big gap] Sloane/Emily, Syd/Weiss, Weiss/Nadia, Syd/Will
16. What are your five least favorite pairings? Vaughn/Lauren, Tom/Rachel, Sark/Lauren, Jack/Nadia, Sloane/Irina
17. Which character are you most like? Hmm...maybe Will?
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret? Um...leaving aside my non preference for intergenerational pairings, at a few points I found Jack/Vaughn and Jack/Marshall kind of hot/cute.

Yay! Me too :D

I did this meme myself a while back and I think my answers were nearly identical to yours, even down to wanting to be like the entire SpyFam and shagging preferences.

IMO slashing Jack is always challenging to do believably, and Jack/Vaughn is an especially tough paring to pull off, but I've seen it done brilliantly.

I knew there was a reason I friended you ;) Now that I think of it, Jack AND Irina would be my shagging preferences. That way I could have my cake and eat it too ;)

Yeah I agree and I did read that post about it (really interesting!). But there's this one scene where Vaughn I think slams Jack against the wall and it was hot. And then he smiled once at him and it was cute. I don't believe in it, it's just my little secret thing I like.

Aw, great answers. I love this show so much. It totally inspired me to write my own responses, even if you don't want to read them. lol.

1. The first character I fell in love with: Michael Bluth. I totally agree with you on this one. Jason Bateman is so underrated as an actor/comedian.
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Tobias. At first I thought he was pretty funny, but after re-watching the series I totally love his character and I get why he's such a fan favourite.
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: I don't dislike any characters but I think Maeby is the least funny out of all of them. Sometimes her storylines bore me.
4. The character I love that everyone else hates: Uncle Jack. I totally agree. I love that episode that he is in, I wish he'd been in more.
5. The character I would shag anytime: Definately Jason Bateman. Ugh. I mean Michael Bluth. lol.
6. The character I'd want to be like: I'd don't think I'd want to be anyone. However, Michael has good family morals, even if he doesn't always follow through on them.
7. The character I'd slap: Probably Heather Graham's character, Beth. I can't stand Heather Graham. lol.
8. A pairing that I love: Michael/GOB.
9. A pairing that I despise: George Sr./Kitty.
10. Favorite character: Michael Bluth and GOB Bluth. It's a tie.
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom? Hilarious script, fantastic actors, critical praise, the cult following, the quotable lines.
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom? It got cancelled, not enough fans, only three seasons, Heather Graham, stupid FOX.
13. Who are your five favorite characters? Michael, GOB, Lucille, Buster and Tobias.
14. Who are your five least favorite characters? Kitty, Bob Loblaw (other than his name, he's not funny), Jessie (that psycho public relations woman), Wayne Jarvis, Beth.
15. What are your five favorite pairings? Michael/GOB, George Michael/Maeby, Buster/Lucille Austero, Tobias/Lindsay, Michael/Marta.
16. What are your five least favorite pairings? GOB/Blamee (I forgot what Amy Poehler's characters name was), Maeby/Steve Holt, Michael/Jessie, Michael/Beth, Buster/Starla.
17. Which character are you most like? Uh, I hope I'm not really like any of them, but I guess Michael. I can have good intentions but can be a little self-involved at times. lol.
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret? Um. Anything Michael/GOB is hot and hilarious.

Interesting poll, I just answered off the top of my head. Now that I see other people's, I totally agree that "Alias" and "Lost" had amazing pilots.

And I guess I'm the only one who thought the "Buffy" finale sucked a little? (It definitely had its moments and getting beat over the head with feminism is better than no feminism at all, but EESH, SPIKE. Also, Joss fails for killing Anya. True fax.) The other two I picked, I should probably not even admit I was watching the finales.

Yeah Tobias grew on me too although I've always loved him. I agree about Maeby, I was always disappointed she didn't have better storylines. Glad to see another Uncle Jack fan! I was shocked when I found out a lot of people at TWoP didn't like or the episode he was in as it's one of my favorites. I don't even remember Beth...Glad I'm not the only one who likes Michael/GOB. Oh and I dislike George/Kitty as well.

I liked the Buffy finale but it wasn't that great especially in comparison to the rest of the series.

Friday Night Lights?

I liked Tobias when watching the series the first time around but I didn't get why he was such a fan favourite. I see what I've been missing. He's in my top five now. lol.

Yeah, Maeby always had mediocre storylines in comparison to the other characters, which could be why I find some of her scenes a little boring.

Hurray for Uncle Jack. Martin Short is just too funny! "To the nuts!" By the way, what is TWoP?

I only remember Beth because I saw that episode a couple of days ago.

Michael/GOB is one of the reasons I love this show so much!

Name a fandom I'm into and I will tell you:

1. The first character I fell in love with: Matt Saracen. He was just so cute!
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Lyla. I can't believe a cheerleader like could make me love her like I do now.
3. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: Tyra and Landry.
4. The character I love that everyone else hates: Julie now.
5. The character I would shag anytime: Tim Riggins, who wouldn't?
6. The character I'd want to be like: Tami who is awesome.
7. The character I'd slap: Buddy
8. A pairing that I love: Jason/Tim/Lyla
9. A pairing that I despise: Buddy at times
10. Favorite character: Matt
11. What are your five favorite things about your fandom? Emotional moments, layered, realistic characters, football, town setting, tackles real issues
12. What are your five least favorite things about your fandom? Murder plot, Landry/Tyra, not enough football, need more vids, sometimes a little too teen soap
13. Who are your five favorite characters? Matt, Eric, Tim, Tami, Smash
14. Who are your five least favorite characters? Buddy, Tyra, Landry, Mac, Jason
15. What are your five favorite pairings? Jason/Tim/Lyla, Matt/Julie, Eric/Tami, Smash/Tim, Smash/Matt
16. What are your five least favorite pairings? Landry/Tyra, Julie/Lifeguard, Matt/Carlotta, Tim/Tyra...
17. Which character are you most like? Probably Matt
18. What is your deep, dark fandom secret? Sometimes I side with Julie when she fights with her mom.

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